Optimist Economy breaks down the economy we have—and builds the case for the one we could have.

“This podcast breaks down economic issues and presents solutions backed with research and data.”

“Kathryn gives PhD level insights, complete with sources and a discussion of their accuracy, limitations, etc, in a way that even a knuckle-dragger like myself can easily understand.”

“She is INCREDIBLE at synthesizing complex economic information into both digestible and interesting ways.”

“Kathryn and Robin are the kind of hosts wish I could have coffee with—they're insightful, witty, and genuinely delightful.”

“These two have figured out how make economics fun. They are truly a joy to listen to and cover interesting topics.”

“I came because of having followed Kathryn on Substack but I stayed because of the Kathryn-Robin combo.”

“The reference to hand stitching a 'Better than poor parents' sash and tiara for Manchin had me cackling in my car.”

“Expert insight into complex economic issues delivered through a veil of sarcasm and self deprecating humor.”

“Who knew data could be so much fun? Researched, witty, curious, principled, and human.”

“I listen to Kathryn and Robin every week. Then I take everything I learned from them and excitedly regurgitate it all to my husband.”

“In fact, if you had asked me before I listened to this podcast what my executive order would be, it would be to ban all podcasts.”

“To explain why this podcast is so great, we need to go back to the War of the Roses...”

“This podcast brings me comfort and reminds me that the future looks bright, even when the news is not.”

“I get tired of bird's eye coverage of hot button issues and appreciate so much having a bit of history and economic theory applied...”

“Listening to this show feels like being guided to a comfy chair, handed a warm mug of tea, and given a much-needed hug during a time of chaos and confusion.”

“Robin and Kathryn are the perfect antidote to existential crisis. Plus, I appreciate the frequent snickering.”

“Shows over and over again that we have the choice and ability to solve our problems but just don't.”

“I feel like I am more informed in a way that gives me a sense of what to look for, what to ask for from my political representatives, and what actually to be worried about.”

“I appreciate how you present a challenge then present a viable, actionable solution.”